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Andrew Montford's avatar

You are asking the right sorts of questions here.

One thing you perhaps need to get your head around is the carbon price that DESNZ adds to gas-fired power. There is an economic case for adding the cost of the externality (harms of global warming), but that isn't what DESNZ do. Instead they add an figure which they call "the target-consistent carbon price". It is nothing to do with the externality, or even with carbon, but is simply an arbitrary value designed to make Net Zero happen regardless of the economics.

Your point about LCOE being an inappropriate metric. It is also noteworthy that DESNZ's 30% capacity factor for gas is being compared to unconstrained wind output. That of course is not what is happening now - we are paying windfarms all the time to switch off. The levelised cost of Seagreen, for example is in the range £86-111 if you pretend it is never curtailed. It's £269-390 if you don't. This is expected to get much worse because we are increasingly adding system imbalance curtailment to the thermal constraints costs.

My advice is to ignore all numbers coming out of DESNZ.

iain Reid's avatar

Sam,

the government aim for just 5% of generation being gas.

This is not a realistic target and we actually need to get new gas generation on line as soon as possible, the current fleet is ageing and nuclear is on a downward capacity trend as they also are near end of life.

Unfortunately global demand for gas generators is increasing and lead times are several years forward.

We need to run gas 100% of the time as that is what keeps the grid in load and demand balance

and even at low output it provides essential technical attributes that wind and solar lack. It is a very poor way to run what can be extremely efficient generators, thus adding a cost to the consumer and increasing maintenance costs as well.

Essentially we are running duplicate generation where gas alone could do the job without the expense of building wind turbines and the extensive and unsightly infrastructure it requires.

The mistake was made over twenty years ago to ditch a planned nuclear expansion and instead go for unsuitable wind. Instead of learning of all the deficiencies years ago we continue with them at our very high cost. Rarely mentioned is that wind and solar output declines steadily with age and the life span is short relative to conventional generators. Impractical, costly, unreliable and at times very unstable with, to my mind no redeeming features in using renewable generation.

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